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Posted: Dec 22, 2003 - 06:55 PM
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Lawman wrote:
All our warships, from Frigates to Carriers have the same emphasis set on the ability to maintain seaworthyness and keep up the fight. Indeed its easier to knock a Carrier out of the battle then to take out one of our cruisers or destroyers. Its just a common opinion, especially right around budget time, by Airforce thinkers that a single hit would neutralize one of our warships.
You stated that our vessels no longer have any "Armor" after a collision between the Cruiser USS Belknap and the Carrier USS Kennedy in 1975 all classes of warships after that went back from Alluminum superstructures to All Steel Constuction. All the Alumminum hulled Adams and Farragut class destoyers have been retired. Also I made a small error, the Stark was struck by 2 exocet missiles, the Frigate USS Samual B. Roberts sturck a mine, both vessels maintained ability to menuver, put in for repairs, and returned to service.
Also with the Computer systems smashed the ship will continue to fight. With weapons set to automatic you could blow up the CIC and the missiles will still fire at targets as they appear. Our CIWS works the same way, infact there was an incedent when the weapon mounted on a carrier fired on a Perry Cruiser that was launching Chaff, the line of fire cut across the ship and scared the hell out of everybody. When a Battle Group goes into fighting mode, our own aircraft stay out of the Second Ring of defences, the missile intercept zone, because theres to much risk in an IFF signal not being processed in time to prevent the launch of a Missile. All that is required is the turn of a Key by the TAO in the CIC and control of the weapons is taken and handed to the weapons themselves.
The reason the Stark was hit was because its weapons wernt set in Automatic, and none of our ships cruise in automatic due to the risk of accidental engagement, example would be the Vincennes incedent when an Iranian Airliner was downed buy one of our brand new Aegis Cruisers.
I need to make myself more clear. I am talking about destroyer size and below, as this is what most small navies have. My confidence in these platforms to still fight after taking a hit is low. They usually are not able to perform battle duties after taking the hit either, meaning: a mission kill. The mine hit on the AEGIS cruiser off of Kuwait in Desert Storm, was dangerously close ( structure ) to sinking the ship.
As for the Vincennes, it is pretty much OT to this topic. The shoot down of the Iranian airliner was nothing but stupidity of the highest order. The peer group (other ship captains) of the captain of that ship pretty much said it. The local C3 had to keep telling him to get back on station and not chase off in the distance to engage some speed boats. The IFF such as it was, was set wrong, So he was "engaged" in a ship battle off station that his C3 told him more than once to get back to his area. All and all not a good day for the Navy officer corps. Here is a good copy/paste of the Newsweek article:
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 03:23 AM
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 04:00 AM
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Cool. Lets go boat hunting  |
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 04:04 AM
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| the_baphomet_00, that's one of the Greek 52+ birds at Edwards right? Didn't know Greece was getting the Harpoon. |
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 04:32 PM
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| Just curious. What is the physical weight of a Harpoon? |
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 04:43 PM
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 04:43 PM
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 05:33 PM
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Thanks ! should have looked it up myself. Just was wondering if it was pushing the amount of weight that can hang on that hardpoint, which, obviously it isn't.
Get some of these for the Misawa peeps so they can show up the F2 pukes by having a bigger anti-ship missile  |
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 08:19 PM
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habu2 wrote:
that's one of the Greek 52+ birds at Edwards right?
sorry habu2, just curious, how did you come to the conclusion, that was a block 52+ bird?  |
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Posted: Feb 05, 2004 - 08:39 PM
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I was basing it on the paint scheme and the extended parabrake housing. But on closer inspection I can see this bird has the GE engine, so it can't be a Block 52...
The partial serial number matches TC-1 serno 93-1045, the first Block 50 built for the HAF. Coupling that with the ED tailcode I now think this is an older photo, taken when Greece's first Block 50s were undergoing stores compatibility flight tests at Edwards.
 HAF F-16C block 50, no. 93-1045, later reserialled to #045, still at Edwards AFB after modification with ECM equipment |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2004 - 12:27 PM
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Thanks habu2, it is a shame, we don't have a picture of the ROCAF Viper, test firing the Harpoon still.  |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2004 - 01:37 PM
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| Thank you all for interesting pictures, are those pylons special for this type of missile? |
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Posted: Feb 07, 2004 - 09:23 PM
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| Harpoons hang off of a plain old MAU-12. All the interface brains are in the RIU. |
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Posted: Mar 17, 2004 - 03:55 PM
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Continuing the previous discussion, here in Spain we have AGM-65 and AGM-84 Harpoon, but we use only the 84 on anti-ship role. Both, with EF-18A+
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Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 03:27 PM
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okay guys, for those who have not seen this thread on ARC, jcvikman referenced the photo of the ROCAF Viper carrying the Harpoon.
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