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Ooops...It's actually 4041 in our bay...not 4045 like I thought..It's pre-flighted and just waiting on Mother Nature... Very Happy

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Yah, its raining a bit here too. Looks like we may be waiting until tomorrow.

navav2002 wrote:

t's SWEET to see a Raptor standing on it's tail!!!...and the poor guy in the F-16 chase plane is peddling just as hard as he can tryin' to catch up... Thumb

haha

OK cal and nav... It's not supposed to stop raining here (according the the NOAA guys) until probably around sunday or monday... Looks like nothing but rain in Bad News Newport Snooze.

swanee wrote:

OK cal and nav... It's not supposed to stop raining here (according the the NOAA guys) until probably around sunday or monday... Looks like nothing but rain in Bad News Newport Snooze.

Yup...the forecast is the same here in GA...They did come get the jet out of our hanger a little bit ago though...I heard somebody say the pilots got here yesterday...They may be watching the weather and if they get the chance they will go?? I was told both jets are ready...just waiting on the weather..

Any new Raptors today over at Langley? The rain seemed to have let up for a while. My apartment is right over the landing pattern if they come in from the west. But I haven't seen any or heard any...

Tomorrow.

I'm on a three day weekend...so I won't get to see them leave... Sad

...I was outside yesterday working in the yard noticing what great flying weather it turned out to be!!...was wondering if they were going to go then...So today huh...Great!!

Newbie Joined: May 10, 2005 Posts: 5 Status: Offline

swanee wrote:

... We are only looking at buying 176 airplanes. At 26 per squadron, thats just over 5 squadrons... not a lot.

That's exactly my point.

From what I gather (please correct me if I am wrong) you are assuming a scenario where either:

The opposing force is some third world country with a poorly trained, poorly maintained and numerically inferior air force and an equally close-to-harmless IAD system. Just send some F-22s, a few crates of AMRAAMs and AGM-88 and in a week everything will be over.
The opposing force has a considerable air force, both in terms of number and quality of the fighters they use. Despite that, they'll fly each day tens of aircrafts just for the sheer pleasure of seeing them destroyed by a a volley of missiles. Same goes for their IAD: they'll keep all the radars switched on all the time until HARMs will take nicely them out.

I do not necessarily believe a potential enemy would be *that* stupid.

Knowing that it may be difficult to deploy several F/A-22 squadrons at the same time, they may simply play an attrition war, or try to destroy the aircrafts on the ground (stealth wouldn't really matter there).

Shodan

Assuming the opposing force has a considerable air force, the opposing air force still has to penetrate our air defense undetected to hit the F/A-22s on the ground. That task, to say the least, is quite difficult. It's not impossible to do, but it's very improbable. Once detected, the enemy aircraft would be intercepted with scrambled F/A-22s and various legacy fighters. The F/A-22 will use its superior sustained kinematics, low radar cross section, and sensor suite to engage the enemy air force (bombers, fighter-attackers, and fighters).

Polaris wrote:

Assuming the opposing force has a considerable air force, the opposing air force still has to penetrate our air defense undetected to hit the F/A-22s on the ground. That task, to say the least, is quite difficult. It's not impossible to do, but it's very improbable. Once detected, the enemy aircraft would be intercepted with scrambled F/A-22s and various legacy fighters. The F/A-22 will use its superior sustained kinematics, low radar cross section, and sensor suite to engage the enemy air force (bombers, fighter-attackers, and fighters).

The Iraqis had the 3rd or 4th largest Airforce in the world back in the late 80s (before Iraq 1)...

Just as a side note to a previous posting: SDBs are GPS guided, so the F/A-22 would be able to drop them.

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Polaris wrote:

Assuming the opposing force has a considerable air force, the opposing air force still has to penetrate our air defense undetected to hit the F/A-22s on the ground.

If it has a considerable air force, it may as well have SSM and destroy the airbases with missiles.

Who would be so stupid to send fighters to fight a fighter like an F/A-22?

Even damaging the runaways would be enough to prevent the F/A-22 (or any other fighters located there) to take off: and since not so many aircrafts will be deployed, their squadron will probably be in just one airbase.

Saddam in the first Gulf War (a lot of time ago...) had Scuds and he used them, albeit against cities and other area targets.

Now the situation may be different.

Shodan

If it has a considerable air force, it may as well have SSM and destroy the airbases with missiles.

Shodan wrote:

Polaris wrote:

Assuming the opposing force has a considerable air force, the opposing air force still has to penetrate our air defense undetected to hit the F/A-22s on the ground.

If it has a considerable air force, it may as well have SSM and destroy the airbases with missiles.

Who would be so stupid to send fighters to fight a fighter like an F/A-22?

Even damaging the runaways would be enough to prevent the F/A-22 (or any other fighters located there) to take off: and since not so many aircrafts will be deployed, their squadron will probably be in just one airbase.

Saddam in the first Gulf War (a lot of time ago...) had Scuds and he used them, albeit against cities and other area targets.

Now the situation may be different.

Shodan

F/A-22s will most likely be stored in hardened hangars. As for the SSMs, we've got PAC-3 for a reason. Air defense is typically layered into several engagement ranges.

Senior member Joined: Apr 16, 2005 Posts: 486

There's also the ABL's.

However it's probably possible to saturate those systems if enough missiles are fired at the same time.

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its brilliant

Just one slide, it needs to be converted into a jpeg, but I don't have the time.

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