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Newbie Joined: Oct 02, 2006 Posts: 3 Status: Offline

Hey Guys.

Is it just me, or is every Greek Viper doomed to be dirty. The Greeks have the coolest Aegean ghost camo scheme. But why do the always have to look so dirty?? I think its such a shame!

Does anybody know why? Maybe there is some yet undiscovered business to do for the "Turtle Wax" importer in Greece.....

Cheers Very Happy

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Don't think of them as just "dirty"...

Think of them as "well used"

Ever seen the USAF/USAFR/ANG Vipers after they've been at an AEF for a few months? Yuck! Shocked

Enthusiast Joined: Feb 01, 2008 Posts: 82 Status: Offline

That_Engine_Guy wrote:

Don't think of them as just "dirty"...

Think of them as "well used"

Ever seen the USAF/USAFR/ANG Vipers after they've been at an AEF for a few months? Yuck! Shocked

That's like a comment a senior greek driver did when I was joking about the same issue.
He said that the dirt is "gun-powder"!
Very Happy

Enthusiast Joined: Dec 08, 2003 Posts: 30

hehe, ever seen a Belgian viper ?

Newbie Joined: Jul 15, 2008 Posts: 10 Status: Offline

That's right, Greek vipers are very used and fly most of their flying hours over the Aegean sea where the salty water environment takes it's toll.

Elite 1K Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1215 Status: Offline

mil wrote:

hehe, ever seen a Belgian viper ?

Yes I have......all you need to do is walk past one and you get dirty. Another very dirty one is the Brits old F-4K's and M's. Speaking of whick does anyone know what they ever did with those?

Purple

Newbie Joined: Sep 14, 2006 Posts: 6 Status: Offline

The sad fact is that the Greeks don't have much of a corrosion control program for any of their aircraft. Washing schedules are nonexistent. Back when we first brought the first F-16s into the country I saw F-5s with major problems related to lack of corrosion control and figured that the F-16s were destined for the same treatment. We addressed the issue with their maintenance chief and for a year or so there was some effort but that slowly went away. The jets at Nea Anhelios are starting to show some signs of this lack of preventative maintenance. Haven't seen any of the newer jets but they're probably not doing much better.

Jimmy

Elite 1K Joined: Apr 26, 2004 Posts: 1215 Status: Offline

That's really the NATO way.

Cleanest of all are probably the Polish birds right now, or maybe the UAE Block 60s, due to lack of flight hours? Smile

Newbie Joined: Aug 30, 2008 Posts: 2 Status: Offline

Greece finalized a $1.77-billion deal with Washington on Friday for the acquisition of 50 F-16 C/D (Block +50) warplanes to supplement its current fleet of F-16s.

Yeah, that's quite right what greekviper stated, they corrode their vipers over Aegean waters chasing Turkish counterparts. Below is the Turkish General Staff website reporting the scrambles performed by the Greek AF against TuAF flying over international waters.

http://www.tsk.mil.tr/HABERLER_ve_OLAYL ... i_2008.htm

46 intercepts in just August 2008 by greeks Shocked

Intercepts performed from various fields like, Ankhialos, Kastelion, Limni, Soudabay, Skiros, Neankhalios, Larissa, Tanagra, etc. Dont they have any other things to do??

Well done guys! you are just too curious Very Happy

Isnt that quite too much against a NATO member??? Does it look like we have an eye on something Confused

I have an invitation BTW, Why dont the greek guys come over to Turkey to Anatolian Eagle exercises? I think it's the only NATO force which has not ever participated in these exercises. Come on guys, let's fly together over Konya, let us see what you have in near-to-real combat environment...

http://www.anadolukartali.hvkk.mil.tr/d ... p=anasayfa

Newbie Joined: Jul 15, 2008 Posts: 10 Status: Offline

Hi Otto,

We tend to forget that Greece is responsible for the civilian air traffic inside Athens FIR like every other country and your own country too.Athens FIR Extends over international waters too.

Any aircraft which has not submitted a flight plan and enters the FIR must be recognized and instructed out because it is a potential threat to flight safety.
So we are just doing our duty and we have to do it NATO or not NATO.So by saying international waters aren't we just saying half the truth?

Newbie Joined: Sep 14, 2006 Posts: 6 Status: Offline

greekviper, Otto
Why don't both countries take their F-16s and use them for what they're supposed to be for; in support of NATO ground forces, presently, in Afghanistan. Then, you could both have "real" combat experience since the last time you guys got any was when you were shooting at each other over Cyprus.

That should keep everybody happy until we have to work over the big bear, Ivan, to the North

Jimmy

That's the point greek viper, I wish we could come to an agreement on the FIR and terrotorial issues on and over Aegean sea. On the flight safety, beleive me, we obey the rules, otherwise I am 100% sure, you would have already taken us to EU court several hundred times just because of that Smile

As far as I know, greek air force has not involved in the Cyprus war much other than the C-47s transporting paratroopers to the island. Just a few dog fights over Aegean as normal but not more than that.

For real guys, why dont you come over to Anatolian Eagle? you are the ones we like most to engage in mock-up dog-fights, not Holland, Belgium, Italy, Jordan or UAE...

Newbie Joined: Jul 15, 2008 Posts: 10 Status: Offline

Hi otto,

The type over Cyprus was Noratlas and you are right it was only that.
I,m sure the politicians can solve the issues if they want to.

How can you obey the rules when you enter in another FIR without Submitting a flight plan to the authorities that are responsible for the air traffic within it?

About Anatolian Eagle, I really don't know if we have been invited.

Thanks for the message Otto, hope we speak again.

See you.

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