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I was browsing through the NDIA website when I came across this pdf from Oct 2007. It deals mostly with the training needs of the F-35, but it does have a nice primer on the F-35's SAR, DAS, and EOTS systems with lots of pictures.

Enjoy

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NDIA website?

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Slide #8 is confusing or mis-informed.

The external fuel tanks were pulled from SDD in 2006. The same funding that was cut to make that happen, pulled the Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (example CBU-105) from SDD and brought the Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) from Block IV (post SDD) into SDD. Good deal.

The UK Paveway IV (the bottom-center one on the chart) has been funded for SDD so I don't know why it isn't in purple instead of blue.

So while I was hoping for an updated weapons chart for SDD since the old 2006 one, when I see this one, I have to wonder what else is wrong.

Anyway, What is in purple is more than enough to make it a good killer by the end of SDD.

OK... who's idea was it not to have the baggage pod part of SDD? Laughing

Slide #7 is interesting. I didn't know that the external stations 2&10 suffered as part of ...(weight reduction efforts? Engineering issues? Bring-back setup?) note the 1000lb rating vs. the 2500lb rating.

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Am I readin' that right? 5000 lbs. on a single wing hardpoint!? YOW! And if all that SAR stuff is the declassed version, one ponders what the real spooky stuff look like.

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elp wrote:

The external fuel tanks were pulled from SDD in 2006. The same funding that was cut to make that happen, pulled the Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (example CBU-105) from SDD and brought the Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) from Block IV (post SDD) into SDD. Good deal.

They pulled the external tanks? Seems like an odd choice to me... I'd think you would want them certified soon, so you could expand other testing and stay aloft longer without tanker support.

gtg947h wrote:

elp wrote:

The external fuel tanks were pulled from SDD in 2006. The same funding that was cut to make that happen, pulled the Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (example CBU-105) from SDD and brought the Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) from Block IV (post SDD) into SDD. Good deal.

They pulled the external tanks? Seems like an odd choice to me... I'd think you would want them certified soon, so you could expand other testing and stay aloft longer without tanker support.

ELP in general, gets his info from persons such as Peter Goon and Carlo Kopp. For some strange reason, I'd rather listen to what Lockheed Martin have to say about the F-35 than what he or they might...

NDIA = National Defense Industrial Association
Web = www.NDIA.org
Great place to find LOTS of PDFs updated after conferences.

While I still have to do some digging on the Weapons Cert, I posted the PDF as more of a demo for the EOTS, DAS, and SAR avionics Smile

I think the PDF shows all stores planned for the F-35 and the purple ones are the ones that ARE certified, or will be by the end of SDD.

In elp's defense, he is just reading the March article from Janes.com

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The Lightning doesn't need externals. It max's out pilot's bladders now. On internal gas it can stay aloft much longer than a either an Eagle or a Viper with two wing bags.

That's why God invented Depends Smile

I did see a difference from the Sept'06 and Oct'07 briefings when you look at the weapons loadout screen.

In the Sept 2006 PDF, page 38, it shows some items in purple (slated to be complete in SDD, I think). On the recent Oct 2007 PDF, page 8, the number of items in purple has increased.

The following items were "Black" in '06 and are "Purple" in '07:
1. 426 -Gallon Wing Tank
2. Wing mounted AIM-120B/C AMRAAM
3. Wing mounted GBU-31 JDAM 2,000-lb
4. Wing mounted MK-76/MK-58/BDU-48
5. Wing Mounted MK-82 500-lb LD

The internal UK 500# PGB went from "purple" to "black"

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Conan wrote:

gtg947h wrote:

elp wrote:

The external fuel tanks were pulled from SDD in 2006. The same funding that was cut to make that happen, pulled the Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (example CBU-105) from SDD and brought the Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) from Block IV (post SDD) into SDD. Good deal.

They pulled the external tanks? Seems like an odd choice to me... I'd think you would want them certified soon, so you could expand other testing and stay aloft longer without tanker support.

ELP in general, gets his info from persons such as Peter Goon and Carlo Kopp. For some strange reason.

Or.... one could read and do research instead of making silly comments like what you just posted.

Quote:

Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Ft. Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $52,400,000 ceiling-priced modification to a previously awarded cost-plus-award-fee contract (N00019-02-C-3002) to exercise an option to certify the small diameter bomb for the U. S. Air Force Joint Strike Fighter conventional take off and landing (CTOL) aircraft and eliminate the effort for wind corrected munitions dispenser and external fuel tanks. Work will be performed in Ft. Worth, Texas (89 percent); El Segundo, Calif. (6 percent); Orlando, Fla. (3 percent); and Wharton, United Kingdom (2 percent), and is expected to be completed in October 2013. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting activity.

http://www.defenselink.mil/contracts/co ... actid=3246

They may be added later if someone comes up with the money. But until then, you won't see them during SDD.

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I'd rather listen to what Lockheed Martin have to say about the F-35 than what he or they might..

Fair enough. However consider that, for whatever reason, LM has briefed APA sources before in relation to the F-35 Laughing

.... take a look at this slide from LM in this years Navy League gathering.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee54 ... hreat_.jpg

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elp wrote:

Slide #7 is interesting. I didn't know that the external stations 2&10 suffered as part of ...(weight reduction efforts? Engineering issues? Bring-back setup?) note the 1000lb rating vs. the 2500lb rating.

Only for the STOVL. The others are still 2500 on the mid-wing hard points and internal stations.

Where is the whole Navy League PDF or PPT?

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dwightlooi wrote:

elp wrote:

Slide #7 is interesting. I didn't know that the external stations 2&10 suffered as part of ...(weight reduction efforts? Engineering issues? Bring-back setup?) note the 1000lb rating vs. the 2500lb rating.

Only for the STOVL. The others are still 2500 on the mid-wing hard points and internal stations.

Yup... know that.

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